Then they had a public meeting at one of the church buildings. I think where the associate editor of the Heart Mountain Sentinel, uh Nobu Kawaii--who was the former president of the JACL in Pasadena--he urged everybody to say, answer "Yes-yes" to both questions. And at that time this older gentleman (Kiyoshi Okimoto) who was found out later was a [unintelligible] a chemist from Hawaii, got up and he was a member of the ACLU at that time and a very rough, rough talking gentleman, but he got up and said that, "You know everybody should think about the your constitutional rights have all been pounded on you know stepped on." Says, "You have no rights and you should think twice about signing yes to these questions this and that." And some of us that were there felt that well he... to expressing the same kind of feelings that some of us had. And at that time he was calling himself, "The Fair Play Committee of One," going around the camp you know, and then we can get a group he would talk to them about the Constitution. So some of us thought, well this fellow knows what he’s talking about and let’s get together with him. And we got together with him and talked and had some meetings and we ended up having a Fair Play Committee of many you know, and organized.