My family was very poor, and the reason why is because my father, being a photographer, there was no business during the Depression days. And so, I remember how my brothers would go on the roof to catch pigeons. And that would help put food on the plate. And as I mentioned, my mother had done laundry for five families. And because of that, I think, we were able to survive. But, somehow, you know, we had a big family, but we persevered. We were able to come through.

I remember when I was born, I was the sixth child, and there were five other mouths to feed. And I had an auntie who had a son, and she couldn’t have any more children. It was my mother’s younger sister. And my auntie wanted to adopt me, and it was very, very difficult, I know, for my family. But, my father used to say, “You give away pets, but you never give away children.” And to this day I'm very grateful, although it was very difficult for them, they kept me. And otherwise, fate would have been very different for me.