We have it in a textbook at home, it's Jordan vs. Tashiro, that's all I remember. And I didn't even know about it until after Bruce and I were married. He was, right after we got married, he decided he wanted to go to law school. And so in one of his textbooks, he came about this thing, this case, and he says, "Hey, your father's name's in here." I said, "Really? For what reason?" And found out this major case. And that's the first time we heard about it, we didn't know. Because up until then, like where I was born, on Turner Street, was so-called Japanese hospital, but that's because the California, well, the whole USA wouldn't allow him to open up a hospital as Japanese. And anyhow, if you want that textbook, I think it's at home someplace.

I*: But it was a, a pretty, it was a major ruling, where he won.

Yes.

* "I" indicates an interviewer (Tom Ikeda)