And we thought, “Well, let's break the ice. One way to break the ice is let's start playing a little bit of sports.” And so came the spring, we decided, “Well, let's apply for, to play baseball. Let's form a team and play within the group there.” And to play with them we got up all the best players that we can find and we played against them and we came out the champs.

And that was the... it broke the ice and people started to get friendly and they found out... “Well, you guys are just average kids. What are you guys doing here?” And this is where the questions started up like, “What happened? How come you're here?” We tell 'em that they just marked us as enemy alien, undesirable, put us into camp and they told us to go to, get into the army and we refused so consequently we're here. And they say, “Oh my God, you guys are just playing a political ping-pong. You're just being bounced around.”

And many of them sympathized with us, and come the following spring, many of 'em wanted to play on the same team as us. So anyway, that's how we got to know the people in the, what they refer to us as the main line, that's the maximum-security group.